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  Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

  she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

  at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi BOTR,

  Sounds like you and I are contemporaries. I was baptized in '56. At the '57 District Assy in Baltimore I was gung ho and wanted to go to Bethel in the worst way. One brother Bobby Anneheim, from New Bedford, Mass, was working in Bethel at the time and heard about my feelings. He asked me if I'd like to meet Bro Knorr (knowing that I would hear the party line) and I was thrilled. He took this 16-yr-old (me) to one of those offices beneath the stadium seats and I had my 4 minute audience. Wait -- I was the audience and he was the speaker. "No", he said, "finish that last year of high school -- then send in your application." It was the harsh, scolding manner that he used during that meeting that I remember most.

  Fats
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  Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

  she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

  at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Here's the only reference I can find to that assembly discourse. Beginning in September of 1970, it may have been given for the following six months.

  A new circuit assembly program is scheduled to begin in September. We believe you will find it most informative and upbuilding. The public talk will be “Who Will Conquer the World in the 1970’s?” Our Kingdom Ministry, 7/70 p. 3 Announcements

  As to Knorr and his little buddy, they were both still going strong in early 1971 as noted by the following:

  In this country of about four million people, 80 percent of whom are Moslem, 178 of Jehovah’s witnesses carry on their preaching activity. The assembly was not advertised, but was in the nature of a private gathering. The peak attendance was 325. Both the president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, N. H. Knorr, and the vice-president, F. W. Franz, appeared several times on the program, speaking through interpreters. The Watchtower, 1971 2/15 p. 123 Is Unity Possible Among All Ethnic Groups? Fats
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  Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

  she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

  at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi VM,

  If I hear from that person again I'll try to remember to ask that question. However, several days ago I asked a few other questions via return email but have not heard back.

  Fats
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  Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

  she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

  at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi donny,

  That date, 1977, gave me a few chills. In those early months I had resigned as elder but hadn't yet given notice of quitting altogether. When the presiding overseer, a nice fellow, came to me, last minute, about giving a talk at a nearby congregation (Ames, Ia) I tried to back out. I re-looked over that outline, however, and since it was one that didn't offend me at the time I consented. I went by myself, not bringing my family -- who, by the way, didn't know of my feelings at that time -- and gave the talk with horrendous guilt feelings. It was the last time I set foot in a kingdom hall.
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  Nathan Knorr's own circuit assembly badge?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so i can't testify to its authenticity.

  she (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket.

  at that time, the early 70's, knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many bethelites) as god-like.

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  FatFreek 2005

  For what it's worth, the following image was sent to me in an anonymous email so I can't testify to its authenticity. She (or he, since it wasn't signed) says he/she was one of the Bethel housekeepers and spotted the name tag in a waste basket. At that time, the early 70's, Knorr was regarded by many, including this person, (though disliked by even many Bethelites) as god-like. The person said that he/she had thought for the last few years of placing it on eBay to fetch a few bucks. Instead, the person thought it would be of greater service to simply share the scanned image. This person left the organization completely as his/her contract expired a few years later. Fats.

  
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  The four presidents of the watchtower society (Jehovah's witnesses) by edmond c.gruss

  by Kojack57 in

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  FatFreek 2005

  Don't forget an easily overlooked fact -- Number 1 was not Russell.

  Len
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  Cedar's 'Why The Watch Tower Society Is Already In Decline"

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  why the watch tower society is already in decline.

  good article, cedars.. http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3236:why-the-watch-tower-society-is-already-in-decline&catid=31:governing-body&itemid=346.

  it's also on the front page of freeminds.org.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi Cedars,

  Very good article as you make some strong points.

  The following numbers I stumbled on the other evening may have some relevance. They are languages that Awake! is translated into, and by certain years. I realize it's spotty (not all years are reported -- or I wasn't able to find the report) but for what it's worth, 2004 was a peak year where Awake! was translated into 87 languages.

  1948, 3

  1952, 3

  1966, 26

  1995, 75

  1997, 80

  1998, 62

  2000, 58

  2004, 87

  2008, 81

  Len Miller
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  What apostates fail to recognize is...

  by nananana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you can cut & paste all the excerpts from articles you want...you can leak all the boe letters, you can pretend to be witnesses and come to the conventions and meetings...but.

  no other organization can begin to rival the success and magnitude of the prophecy found in mt 24:14. so apostates....don't waste your time spending countless hours digging up articles and reading books to convince yourself to turn away from jh's organization.

  no matter what "evidence" you find you cannot ignore the obvious fulfillment of matthew 24:14.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi Nanananananana,

  I challenge you to take 11 minutes and check out THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION. Then get back to me.

  Len
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  Examples of Fredrick Franz Horrible personality.

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in he's nephews book i could not believe some of the things he mentions.

  when his father died fred franz told his mother he could not go to the funeral because he was just too busy at bethel.

  she spoke to rutherford who ordered him to go.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hey, Sic Semper Tyrannis, it sounds like you lived in Bethel for awhile. Yes?

  Len
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  What made you leave?

  by CuriousUK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  apologies if this has been discussed before, but i am really very interested in finding out why members here left their congregations for lives away from jw?.

  was there a "lightbulb" moment where you just woke up one day and realised that you had been brainwashed?

  or a slow realisation over time?

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  FatFreek 2005

  Some have told me that THE GREAT WATCHTOWER CONTRADICTION was a wakeup call to them although that 11 minute read is actually designed for newly interested ones.

  Len